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| This just in: The Demolisher is good. Oh, Rhymer too. |
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Here are the lists:
Norm Weir
Isd: gunner team, wulff yularen boosted coms ecm relentless
gladiator: apt ordance experts engine techs monferrat ozziel demo
boba fet dengar firespray mauler rhymer vader soonter fel
Dong Lee
isd: motii ecm boosted coms needatrc avenger
gladiator: monferrat apt engine techs ordance experts demo
mauler dengar rhymer 2xtie advanced 2xtie bomber 2xfirespray
I'm going to post this now and write about this a bit later. As you can see here: Both lists are running Rhymerballs with the long-forgotten art of 2-ships, with Demolisher in both of them.
UPDATE:
First, let's breakdown the lists in points form right now.
Norm Weir's list
Author: HERO
Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 390/400
Commander: Admiral Ozzel
Assault Objective: Precision Strike
Defense Objective: Unknown
Navigation Objective: Unknown
[ flagship ] Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points)
- Admiral Ozzel ( 20 points)
- Relentless ( 3 points)
- Wulff Yularen ( 7 points)
- Gunnery Team ( 7 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
= 168 total ship cost
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
- Demolisher ( 10 points)
- Admiral Montferrat ( 5 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Engine Techs ( 8 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 88 total ship cost
1 Boba Fett ( 26 points)
1 Darth Vader ( 21 points)
1 Dengar ( 20 points)
1 Soontir Fel ( 18 points)
1 Firespray-31 ( 18 points)
1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)
1 "Mauler" Mithel ( 15 points)
Dong Lee 's list
Author: HERO
Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 386/400
Commander: Admiral Motti
Assault Objective: Unknown
Defense Objective: Unknown
Navigation Objective: Unknown
[ flagship ] Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points)
- Admiral Motti ( 24 points)
- Avenger ( 5 points)
- Captain Needa ( 2 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 169 total ship cost
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
- Demolisher ( 10 points)
- Admiral Montferrat ( 5 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Engine Techs ( 8 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 88 total ship cost
1 Dengar ( 20 points)
2 Firespray-31s ( 36 points)
1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)
1 "Mauler" Mithel ( 15 points)
2 TIE Advanced Squadrons ( 24 points)
2 TIE Bomber Squadrons ( 18 points)
The TLDR: Both high-bid ISD carrier/Demolisher lists with Imperial Aces.
My review:
Since both lists are running identical cookie-cutter Demolisher builds, I want to talk about commander choices and Imperial Ace layouts more in-depth. However, before I begin on that jazz, a quick word to why these players chose APT instead of something like Expanded Launchers. Also, why Admiral Montferrat instead of Intel Officer is simply because of survivability: Which works better when running a 2-ship list such as this one. When it comes to applying damage, one of the surest ways to apply damage is by effects. That's what APT aims to do and that's to apply sure direct crit damage to hull, past shields and other countermeasures to stop it. Firepower through traditional means is always subject to the will of the defender unless you're forcing them to discard through Intel Officer. Since both players are not running Intel Officer because they're looking for a gap-closing flanker, APT is the stronger choice in my opinion. I've always liked APT in combination with Ordnance Experts, and I definitely like guaranteed damage over IO/EL especially when your bid and damage is spread-out elsewhere in the list. This isn't a triple-tap list, this is a squadron-heavy list with the ISD fulfilling that role.
Alright, so commander choices: Ozzel is used as a push-to-talk key in this instance in the first list. You want to get the Nav/Squadron command early and then keep it there with Wulff Yularen. He basically means that you'll only really need to cast it once to keep the speed change game on the rest of the game on the ISD, while the Relentless title allows him to better gauge and react to battlefield conditions. This means that in the event that there are no more threatening squadrons, he can then concentrate on doing damage or repairing key components. No additional damage from his ISD in the form of turbolaser upgrades, but Gunnery Teams is there to spray dice into forward targets because the ISD is a carrier first, damage-dealer second. It's important to know that in both of these lists, the damage is spread out pretty respectably in three key components: The Demolisher flanker or short-carrier in the early phases of the game, the ISD-II's reds and blues and the squadron activation, and the crapton of Imperial Aces that can deal heavy damage from medium range. Motti, from the second list is more straight forward: More hull is always good, but more importantly, a safer choice.
Now, let's look at squadron composition. Both lists are Imperial Aces but with different components. The same components to note between the first and second list are as follows: Dengar, Rhymer, Firesprays and Mauler Mithel. The first three should be pretty self-explanatory for every Imperial player now, but just in case you don't, read this article first. I want to talk about why Mithel is in both of these lists that ended up on the Final tables and why he's always been this sleeper element in most Imperial lists. First, you have Dengar and his outrageous durability on a Intel body. He moves well, dislodges units whenever you want, and allows Mithel to jump around for millimeters worth of range but still do massive AoE damage before even having to roll. Simply put: If you have a lot of squadrons, and he has a lot of squadrons, but he has Mithel, you will lose. Thanks to Intel, Mithel is just outrageous for his points because he can inflict massive damage for dirt cheap. As you've probably also noticed, Vader and TIE Advanced are there for the Escort to make sure key pieces like Dengar and Mithel stay alive. While the Firesprays and even TIE Bombers are a thing of personal taste, it's clear that the first list is catered more towards anti-squadron auto-damage in the form of Boba, Fel, and Mithel. If you want to deal damage to the squadrons, you have to get past several layers of auto-damage before you're successful. It goes without saying that the second list, is definitely focused more on the bomber aspect.
Hint:
This also means that in Wave 4, everyone fielding Imperials should be looking at a Raider-I with Ordnance Experts and Agent Kallus to flak the crap out of these aces.
UPDATE:
First, let's breakdown the lists in points form right now.
Norm Weir's list
Author: HERO
Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 390/400
Commander: Admiral Ozzel
Assault Objective: Precision Strike
Defense Objective: Unknown
Navigation Objective: Unknown
[ flagship ] Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points)
- Admiral Ozzel ( 20 points)
- Relentless ( 3 points)
- Wulff Yularen ( 7 points)
- Gunnery Team ( 7 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
= 168 total ship cost
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
- Demolisher ( 10 points)
- Admiral Montferrat ( 5 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Engine Techs ( 8 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 88 total ship cost
1 Boba Fett ( 26 points)
1 Darth Vader ( 21 points)
1 Dengar ( 20 points)
1 Soontir Fel ( 18 points)
1 Firespray-31 ( 18 points)
1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)
1 "Mauler" Mithel ( 15 points)
Dong Lee 's list
Author: HERO
Faction: Galactic Empire
Points: 386/400
Commander: Admiral Motti
Assault Objective: Unknown
Defense Objective: Unknown
Navigation Objective: Unknown
[ flagship ] Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points)
- Admiral Motti ( 24 points)
- Avenger ( 5 points)
- Captain Needa ( 2 points)
- Boosted Comms ( 4 points)
- Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points)
- Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points)
= 169 total ship cost
Gladiator I-Class Star Destroyer (56 points)
- Demolisher ( 10 points)
- Admiral Montferrat ( 5 points)
- Ordnance Experts ( 4 points)
- Engine Techs ( 8 points)
- Assault Proton Torpedoes ( 5 points)
= 88 total ship cost
1 Dengar ( 20 points)
2 Firespray-31s ( 36 points)
1 Major Rhymer ( 16 points)
1 "Mauler" Mithel ( 15 points)
2 TIE Advanced Squadrons ( 24 points)
2 TIE Bomber Squadrons ( 18 points)
The TLDR: Both high-bid ISD carrier/Demolisher lists with Imperial Aces.
My review:
Since both lists are running identical cookie-cutter Demolisher builds, I want to talk about commander choices and Imperial Ace layouts more in-depth. However, before I begin on that jazz, a quick word to why these players chose APT instead of something like Expanded Launchers. Also, why Admiral Montferrat instead of Intel Officer is simply because of survivability: Which works better when running a 2-ship list such as this one. When it comes to applying damage, one of the surest ways to apply damage is by effects. That's what APT aims to do and that's to apply sure direct crit damage to hull, past shields and other countermeasures to stop it. Firepower through traditional means is always subject to the will of the defender unless you're forcing them to discard through Intel Officer. Since both players are not running Intel Officer because they're looking for a gap-closing flanker, APT is the stronger choice in my opinion. I've always liked APT in combination with Ordnance Experts, and I definitely like guaranteed damage over IO/EL especially when your bid and damage is spread-out elsewhere in the list. This isn't a triple-tap list, this is a squadron-heavy list with the ISD fulfilling that role.
Alright, so commander choices: Ozzel is used as a push-to-talk key in this instance in the first list. You want to get the Nav/Squadron command early and then keep it there with Wulff Yularen. He basically means that you'll only really need to cast it once to keep the speed change game on the rest of the game on the ISD, while the Relentless title allows him to better gauge and react to battlefield conditions. This means that in the event that there are no more threatening squadrons, he can then concentrate on doing damage or repairing key components. No additional damage from his ISD in the form of turbolaser upgrades, but Gunnery Teams is there to spray dice into forward targets because the ISD is a carrier first, damage-dealer second. It's important to know that in both of these lists, the damage is spread out pretty respectably in three key components: The Demolisher flanker or short-carrier in the early phases of the game, the ISD-II's reds and blues and the squadron activation, and the crapton of Imperial Aces that can deal heavy damage from medium range. Motti, from the second list is more straight forward: More hull is always good, but more importantly, a safer choice.
Now, let's look at squadron composition. Both lists are Imperial Aces but with different components. The same components to note between the first and second list are as follows: Dengar, Rhymer, Firesprays and Mauler Mithel. The first three should be pretty self-explanatory for every Imperial player now, but just in case you don't, read this article first. I want to talk about why Mithel is in both of these lists that ended up on the Final tables and why he's always been this sleeper element in most Imperial lists. First, you have Dengar and his outrageous durability on a Intel body. He moves well, dislodges units whenever you want, and allows Mithel to jump around for millimeters worth of range but still do massive AoE damage before even having to roll. Simply put: If you have a lot of squadrons, and he has a lot of squadrons, but he has Mithel, you will lose. Thanks to Intel, Mithel is just outrageous for his points because he can inflict massive damage for dirt cheap. As you've probably also noticed, Vader and TIE Advanced are there for the Escort to make sure key pieces like Dengar and Mithel stay alive. While the Firesprays and even TIE Bombers are a thing of personal taste, it's clear that the first list is catered more towards anti-squadron auto-damage in the form of Boba, Fel, and Mithel. If you want to deal damage to the squadrons, you have to get past several layers of auto-damage before you're successful. It goes without saying that the second list, is definitely focused more on the bomber aspect.
Hint:
This also means that in Wave 4, everyone fielding Imperials should be looking at a Raider-I with Ordnance Experts and Agent Kallus to flak the crap out of these aces.
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