tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post5703936417733420373..comments2023-10-30T01:14:22.330-07:00Comments on HERO's Gaming Blog: Latest Dark Eldar cravingsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-31158314199370999372012-10-28T20:16:29.797-07:002012-10-28T20:16:29.797-07:00Sadlu KP did not change for 6th eh? Hehe, but im f...Sadlu KP did not change for 6th eh? Hehe, but im finding DE with Eldar are fantastic in 6th.SkaredCasthttp://twitter.com/Skari2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-49253893064440232702012-04-28T21:51:27.140-07:002012-04-28T21:51:27.140-07:00Good article, although I think the points level th...Good article, although I think the points level thing is subjective and army driven.<br />I know most of my friends who play like large games, even up to 2500 where they can put almost every model they own on the board.<br />That being said it seems to be a common theme with marine or guard players.<br />Playing Xenos I like the opposite, 1500 is a nice points level because even though I make hard choices to get a fun list on the table I know my opponent makes those hard choices too. At 2000 some people have all their cake and eat it, while as other commentators have stated some armies just run out of viable choices.<br /><br />I think its a failing of the game system to be honest that some armies like guard and marines with squadrons and combat squad-ding can really take advantage of large games, almost to a point where they aren't even on the same level as other codexes who have major FoC restrictions.<br />Using a max% based system for FoC choices would be more ideal in many cases.<br /><br />I think the fodder mentality is again marine and IG based, those armies can just fit so much stuff in at 2000+, they have so much redundancy that they can afford to lose units. Other armies on the other hand might get 3 or 6 slots across an entire army for anti tank, and there is no scaling once you pass the 1500 point line when they are already maxed out.<br />So if you play xenos you'll likely never be in a fodder situation, whereas as a marine or IG player its more likely (particularly for MSU builds)Kristwithakhttp://kael-din.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-33498948041923479292012-04-15T14:03:23.991-07:002012-04-15T14:03:23.991-07:00Thanks for the reply, that's too bad about 200...Thanks for the reply, that's too bad about 2000 being standard around you, it's really not my favourite point level at all and games just take much longer despite being less interesting. But hey, playing is playing right! If you're ever bored I have a channel at youtube under the username EldarCorsair where I post battle reports and vids, 98% of my games are 1500 and 1750. People just don't ask to play any higher usually. Cheers and take care Hero.the_rafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-17362342213167747082012-04-13T13:33:59.567-07:002012-04-13T13:33:59.567-07:00Good post there man. I agree that the "norm&...Good post there man. I agree that the "norm" is definitely different from region to region. The standard that I used to play at my shop in Jersey was 1500. When I moved to Cali, the standard here is 2000. Personally, I'm fine with playing whatever, but I like the 1500 or 1750 games a lot better. I think 2K just puts too much stuff on the table, but like people have said in the past, they get upset playing anything lower because they "dont get to play with all their toys."HEROhttp://lkhero.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-50962086399403215652012-04-13T13:32:07.383-07:002012-04-13T13:32:07.383-07:00Don't worry about the KP, you play Dark Eldar,...Don't worry about the KP, you play Dark Eldar, high KP is a given. Which is why I think the KP mission rules should change next Ed. because it completely bones DE specifically.<br /><br />As for the list, it looks pretty good. It has nice coverage of all threats and it's pretty balanced. GL with it!HEROhttp://lkhero.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-23155315339716460442012-04-13T08:51:50.384-07:002012-04-13T08:51:50.384-07:00Skari here:
Great post, I have recently moved to ...Skari here: <br />Great post, I have recently moved to a location where 1500pts seems to be the norm and it has been an interesting switch from 1850... I am having a hard time dealing with the restrictions imposed but I love the choices that you have to make at 1500. <br />A list that I have been pondering and I would love any comments:<br /><br />Archon- 145pts Shadowfield Agonizer, PGL<br />Heamy with liquifier<br />4 Incubi in Venom<br />5 Warriors in Venom Blaster<br />3 Wracks in Venom<br />8 Wyches in raider<br />10 Warriors blaster in Raider<br />2 x 3 man Heatlance Bike units<br />2 Ravagers lances and FF<br />1 Razorwing with FF (or cannon)<br /><br />1500pts<br /><br />But a very high KP total.<br /><br />you can email me at skaredcast at gemail dot com.Skarihttp://twitter.com/Skari2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-40227528886353059742012-04-13T08:13:23.850-07:002012-04-13T08:13:23.850-07:00Clearly this is a good example of how different lo...Clearly this is a good example of how different locales can have hugely different approaches to the game. I've never met players in person, for example, that would say 1750 or even 1500pts was a "small game", in fact 1750 is a rather large game of 40k in general. 1500 is considered standard in the places I've played in, which include Germany, England, the U.S. and Canada. 2000pts is simply massive and way above standard. The strategies and army list building at that level are completely different and 2000pts is very clearly weighted to actually advantage certain books over others (notably IG which can take squadrons of heavy vehicles in multiple force org slots). <br /><br />Which is why when you said you've been playing "smaller" games at 1500 and 1750 a part of me thought you were joking at first. There's just less and less decision making that matters at the 2000pt level compared to 1500 because each decision means that much less, as when you make the wrong choice with one unit, well hell you've got 5 more units that can do the exact same thing you should have done with the first one. The effect of terrain also shrinks horribly at 2000pts, something you have noticed as well (it's much harder to actually have any level of "out maneuvering" someone at such a massive pts level since while the terrain percentage stays the same, the number of units skyrockets).<br /><br />You've also touched on one of the bigger, more fundamental game balance issues with 40k overall and that is point totals. At 1000 pts or less, certain codexes/units dominate brutally (ex. Holo-Falcons, MSU Dark Eldar) while other codexes can barely field a servicable list (ex. IG); at 1500 most armies can field a carefully constructed list that focuses on a few strengths but has at least one or two weaknesses; at 2000+ certain armies just run away with options while others are left in the dust. For example, at 2000, or 2250, or 2500pts an Imperial Guard army can still easily fill out their Heavy and other slots - they just add a few squadrons (without raising their KPs at all!) while an Eldar army maxes out at three heavy vehicles (Falcon/Spinner/Prism) rather easily at 1500 and have little space left to actually add anything strong, not counting Warwalkers (which themselves are increasingly easier to deal with at higher point totals and are too cheap anyways to close the "extra points gap").<br /><br />I do agree with you that 1500 can feel more like a skirmish but the semi-Apocalypse feel of 2000pt and higher games dumbs the game down quite a bit in my opinion. This is the reason why you have been enjoying 1500 and 1750 pt games recently Hero, it's because those formats are much closer to how a truly strategic version of the game is intended to be played. Decisions matter more, army building is tighter and terrain has a greater potential for strategic effect. Just my thoughts!the_rafnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-40132207522998414612012-04-13T02:47:09.848-07:002012-04-13T02:47:09.848-07:00I was brought here by Ledroit's Requiem artwor...I was brought here by Ledroit's Requiem artwork...<br /><br />brilliant stuff!Frontline Gamernoreply@blogger.com