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Random DE poster from way back when. |
OK here we go:
I noticed there are 4 distinct categories for units in the game. Since there are no points in the game, I still think it COULD be possible to lightly balance the game with some very minor work. Instead of re-writing point values for every unit, we might be able to pull something off by limiting certain models based on numbers.
Just so you guys can follow me, here are 4 categories that I've noticed for units:
- 1w models - Most infantry, or rather, Core (or rather, what was core before) in the game
- 2-4w models - Some Cavalry in the game, most Ogres or Monstrous Infantry
- 5+w models - Most Heroes in the game, or beefy elite units that we would consider "Special/Rare" before
- 10w+ models - Most Monsters in the game, some other weird stuff like the Bell and what not
So instead of writing points up for these guys, I've chose to do this. For now, I'm just going to call it Core, Special, Rare and Elite for sanity sakes.
The categories here are: Hero, Core, Special, Rare, Elite. This is defined as:
- Hero - Max of 1 model
- Core - Max of 20 models if small base (unless warscroll says you can take bigger), max of 10 anything bigger
- Special - Max of 10 if small base, max of 5 anything larger
- Rare - Max of 5 if small base, max of 3 anything larger
- Elite - Max of 1 model
When applied to High Elves, it looks something like..
Tyrion - Hero
Teclis - Hero
Eltharion on stormwing - Hero, Elite
Prince Imrik, Dragonlord - Hero, Elite
Prince Althran - Hero
High Elf Prince - Hero
High Elf Prince on Griffon - Hero, Elite
High Elf Prince on Dragon - Hero, Elite
High Elf Archmage on Dragon - Hero, Elite
High Elf Mage - Hero
Dragon Mage - Hero, Elite
High Elf Spearmen - Core
High Elf Archers - Core
Silver Helms - Core
Ellyrian Reavers - Core
Dragon Princes of Caledor - Special
Tiranoc Chariots - Special
High Elf RBT - Special
Great Eagles - Rare
Alith Anar, the Shadow King - Hero
Shadow Warriors - Special
Alarielle the Radiant - Hero
Handmaiden of the Everqueen - Hero
Sisters of Avelorn - Special
Caradryan - Hero
Anointed of Asuryan - Hero
Phoenix Guard - Special
Flamespyre Phoenix - Elite
Frostheart Phoenix - Elite
Loremaster of Hoeth - Hero
High Elf Swordmasters - Special
Korhil - Hero
White Lions of Chrace - Special
White Lion Chariots - Special
Lothern Sea Helm - Hero
Lothern Sea Helm on Skycutter - Hero, Special
Lothern Sea Guard - Core
Lothern Skycutters - Special
So using the above classification, if we're going to play a test game, it will look something like this:
1-2 Heroes
1-3 Core
0-2 Specials
0-1 Rare
0-1 Elite
Sample list:
Heroes: Archmage on Foot, Prince on Dragon
Core: 20 Archers, 20 Spearmen, 10 Silver Helms
Special: 5 Dragon Princes, 10 Phoenix Guard
Rare: 3 Eagles
Elite: (the Prince on Dragon counts as Elite, see above)
The original framework was done using categories to separate the unit by wounds. However, the problem with that is that you run into situations where a unit might have 5 wounds, which would technically classify them as Rare, but they're not good enough to be limited to 0-1 in most cases (e.g. Tiranoc Chariot). Then you have situations where you have Chaos Warriors, which were core in the last edition of Warhammer and what people are used to now, but are actually the elite of Chaos. That's why I don't see a super huge deal if Special is appropriate for them (max of 10 models, takes a Special slot), but like you said, putting them in Core as well is also appropriate. The same applies for Ogres. These are the times where exceptions have to be made, and the only way these exceptions make sense is if they are applied army by army, unit by unit. Otherwise, there's just no way to balance wounds without point costs.
This might not be perfect, but its a clear way to lightly balance the game around some generic modifications to army restrictions proportional to army size, without actually putting point costs in it. You're essentially limiting the powerful stuff that you can take, reducing the amount of ridiculous presence on the field, while still being able to freestyle for the majority of the lists.
For example, let's just call the above a small game. For a medium-sized game, you add +1 Hero, Core, Special, Rare, but keep the Elite at 0-1. For a larger game, you do 1-4 Heroes, 1-4 Core, 0-4 Special, 0-3 Rare, 0-2 Elite.
While we're doing that, let's add some other generic rules for quality of life reasons:
- LoS works the same as 7th Ed. 40K (including characters joining units, large models cannot)
- Infantry-sized heroes can get LoS on 2+
- Cavalry or MI heroes can get LoS on 4+
- Soft cover is -1, Hard cover is -2 to shooting
- Shooting units cannot shoot if they're in melee
- All melee is base to base
- All stupid ass rules that make you cluck or do something else equally retarded resolve as if you preformed the required action
What do you think? I'm looking for feedback first and foremost, and I need expert opinions on people with army specific knowledge. I am pretty fluid in everything except for Brets, Beastsman, Warriors, Lizards, Orcs, and Tomb Kings. If you can make a list of units from the Age of Sigmar books following my restrictions, please post them in the comments so we can discuss.