tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post806371970610422985..comments2023-10-30T01:14:22.330-07:00Comments on HERO's Gaming Blog: VC: The book is not so badUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-50890597536260005602014-09-08T23:45:20.949-07:002014-09-08T23:45:20.949-07:00Really, guy. You seemed to make an error of compre...Really, guy. You seemed to make an error of comprehension.<br /><br /><br />I'm only discussing an inference from someone else's words, you know. My own frame of reference isn't especially concerned with top table play at events, since... well, I've never cracked the top 50%, not even in six or eight man shows.<br /><br /><br />The vibe that I'm getting, ultimately, is that the 'broken build' (Yrellian's words, not mine) makes the book. If your book can do something which solves the game in a majority of cases - like all the movement shenanigans you were discussing in your Legions of Undeath post, or the +4-to-everything-teleporting-into-the-zone Circle Orboros lists in Hordes - then it's top tier.<br /><br /><br />I'm sad because I'm not especially interested in playing solved games, or in inducing them, and rating books by the likelihood of doing so indicates something about the way our games are often played. <br /><br /><br />Perhaps, at top table level, these 'broken builds' don't have the same result for whatever reason, and the games remain viable? I imagine they must do, or you'd see more chess-like outcomes, with concessions at the point where victory is no longer possible. In WFB terms I suppose that'd be when the Victory Point gap has grown so wide that it's mathematically impossible to move back into 'draw' territory, or when some sudden death condition like "no standard bearers left" has been met.Vonhttp://kaptainvon.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-62219022805177899252014-09-08T23:19:25.862-07:002014-09-08T23:19:25.862-07:00lol, read carefully? Really guy?
I also don't...lol, read carefully? Really guy?<br />I also don't agree with your assessment. You can have many of these power builds as you call it, but if you're getting stomped by the same one broken build from another book, then you won't reach the top tables.HEROhttp://lkhero.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-79203482648075442002014-09-08T22:48:07.554-07:002014-09-08T22:48:07.554-07:00'The books'. Read carefully and you'll...'The books'. Read carefully and you'll get it.<br /><br /><br />The inference I draw from Yrellian's post is that 'the best books', across the range, are the ones with multiple 'broken builds', given that High Elves miss out on being top tier because they only have one 'broken build'.Vonhttp://kaptainvon.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-56666592259172546572014-09-08T10:15:24.476-07:002014-09-08T10:15:24.476-07:00Were you referring to VC or another army Von?Were you referring to VC or another army Von?HEROhttp://lkhero.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-46924292564614444552014-09-08T01:32:57.661-07:002014-09-08T01:32:57.661-07:00I find it sad in some ways that the books are '...I find it sad in some ways that the books are 'best' if they have more than one 'broken build' in them, which is what I'm reading in to your statement here.Vonhttp://kaptainvon.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-51564471425181702412014-09-08T00:49:01.663-07:002014-09-08T00:49:01.663-07:00I'd be halfway interested in the defensive lis...I'd be halfway interested in the defensive list (I can't stop myself wanting the Lichemaster in it, Black Periapt be damned, but I'll get over that) if it didn't involve replacing my entire army.Vonhttp://kaptainvon.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229245860561585942.post-22378847300064709262014-09-04T19:07:57.219-07:002014-09-04T19:07:57.219-07:00You are totally right. VCs still have one of the ...You are totally right. VCs still have one of the best books out there. On par with Ogres and WoC. I find people trying to place the HE book in that tier as well, and I would disagree, as the only broken build is the WL with Allarielle with BOTWD, the rest is balanced IMO. The WE and Dorf release was quite underwhelming in our meta, with only 1 dorf player representing. But people that argue that VCs are bad because dwarves came out is like saying zerglings are bad because siege tanks exist. Not everyone builds siege tanks or even plays Terran, there is a plethora of race/unit combinations that can arise in games such as these. I still fear fighting VCs with any of my lists, especially the super defensive ones. They are fairly popular in my group with 2-3 armies floating around. Mannfred has been a fan favorite of one, and blenderlord in skele block is another.Yrelliannoreply@blogger.com